At least he didn't say "grave and gathering"

Obama visited Israel today and made the logical and politically necessary speech of calling a nuclear-armed Iran a "grave threat".  He's right, of course, in the sense that any nuclear-armed country (including Israel and India) are a grave threat.  But still, this sounds a little too reminiscent of Bush's "grave and gathering" alliterative characterization of pre-shitstorm Iraq.

Obama, contrary to the shouting Fox commentators, has always been a centrist.  That's ok with me.  In part, because I think he's the good kind of centrist and not the Joe Lieberman, Tom Friedman neo-liberal kind of centrist.  But I was hoping for a steadier hand in Middle Eastern affairs.  Bush set a very high bar for non-involvement (read: complete capitulation) in Middle Eastern affairs.  So even if Obama manages to eat a falafal or two he'll have greater involvement than Bush.  Nevertheless, we can't have another four years of axis-of-evil nonsense.

We know that a nuclear-armed Iran is a dangerous thing.  But an Iran with nuclear power done in cooperation with French and Russian envoys is not scary at all.  The only logical goal is to bring Iran into the fold.  Help them grow their economy and show them the benefits of living in the 21st century.  The venue for Obama's speech today probably prevented him from saying anything concilliatory about Iran.  But, frankly, I would take silence over another parsed sentence which inevitably leads to more dead civilians.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsN ews/idUKL2376765320080723?virtualBrandCh annel=10112



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What Iran really wants... (2.00 / 2)

Someone recently said that what Iran really needs is JOBS.  If we can get them invested in the world economy, they're far less likely to go around blowing stuff up.

I always find it amazing that people who purport to be free-market capitalists are so reluctant to let the market handle some of these problems.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 01:12:16 PM EST

You gotta be joking (none / 0)

But an Iran with nuclear power done in cooperation with French and Russian envoys is not scary at all.  

Are you kidding me? Iran with any nuclear foundation is a horrible horrible idea. This is an extreme theocratic government that does not have any kind of the checks and balances you'd hope a nuclear nation has. Given their bellicose posturing to Israel, I for one, don't think there is any reason for there to be a nuclear infrastructure in there, and it would appear the international community absolutely agrees.

Fortunately, there's not getting far with it. But since Obama was asked about it, that is exactly the right answer.

Jeez.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 01:13:48 PM EST

Re: You gotta be joking (2.00 / 1)

I think what TheMollusk meant by nuclear power was energy generation and not arms. The two do not necessarily go hand in hand. The Russians and the French would supply the fuel thus eliminating the need to for centrifuges which could also make the required nuclear component for arms.

The again you may be right in your reading and I maybe wrong in mine :)


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 01:19:59 PM EST
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Actually, I'm not joking (2.00 / 1)

Iran has a serious shortage of power in their country and it is very much hindering their economic growth at this point.  Hindered economic growth only reinforces the authoritarian regimes you speak of.  Perhaps we learned this lesson in Iraq?

On the whole, I don't see why a civilian nuclear power industry in Iran is explicitly more dangerous than Pakistan, India, or even Israel having nuclear weapons.

Iran has done some shady things over the years and there is plenty reason to mistrust them.  But they are probably the least autocratic of countries in that region and are perhaps the only country with the possibility of building a modern and diverse economy.


by the mollusk on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 01:21:43 PM EST
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